Curse

railhead · Dec 10, 2005, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Hi All

Severel times in UW i noticed that 8-10 minions could easily kill aatxes with Death Novas. My party was always a gathering of noobs and solo monks so i have never could use my skills very well. I had really enough of invinci monks

I decided to build up a small UW farming group of 2 minion bombers, 2 saccers and 1 rezmer.

Bombers must be MMs with 16 Death Magic and b. minions and novas (like myself). One of them could be a Spirit Spammer with Edge of Extinction to bring down quickly minions health in battle.

The two Saccers with Illusion of Weakness and with 55hp.

And the Rezmer with 16 fastcasting and some quick resurrecton spell. Maybe with some Empathy...

What do u think? Is it a valid config in UW? Would u join to find out?

naix · Dec 10, 2005, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Where would you get the minions to kill the first group of bulls. You need corpses to make bone horrors in pve, unlike pvp.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Dec 10, 2005, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by railhead

The two Saccers with Illusion of Weakness and with 55hp.

they are the courpse's with the rezmer there always will be fresh courpse's

I wanted to make a Nova bomb for UW but they patched Spirits to not effect each other so i never got to try out a EoE bomb of Spirits...

this could very well be a nice out of the box farming rig; if there happens to be some sort of nerf in the future....

Kyle · Dec 10, 2005, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Mite get crazy once you tell minions to attack. You got 2-3 aataxe comming at you and your counting on your minion bomb to take them. If it does then great you made next weeks nerf

but what if the aataxe charge any1 of you. They will eat you all alive because all of you are squishies. Well you can try it but i see some room for flaw. Need a tank to hold aggro while you send in minions to bomb them

railhead · Dec 10, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Thanks for replying

I`ev never tried EoE with minions but i cant see why it dosen`t work.
Minions can block way and if 16-18 run out in a corridor i hope they would stop incoming enemies. If they have locked on target they fight until they die or enemy defeated and never run away. While minions are in battle we must not to stop minion spwaning so i think aatxes can hardly run out challengers.
With lvl16 Death Magic D. Novas dmgs 105 spike in area + poison for 15secs which causes -4 degen + i prefer to use Tainted Flesh which causes disease for 16secs on hit return also with a -4 health degen.

1 rezmer is enough i think. Rebirth is the fastest resurrection spell with 6 secs of casting which can be lowered to 3secs with high enough Fast Casting. Animate Minions has a 3sec activation time which can be lowered by Bloodstained Boots or not and it has a 5secs cool down.

Maybe a battery necro could be useful...
I hope that Arena dont make a Nerf out of this cause i will be very nervous

railhead · Dec 10, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

take a look on this

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=90413

Kyle · Dec 11, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

rebirth takes all your energy so that mite slow the rezmer down

Vincent Ritz · Dec 11, 2005, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Kyle

rebirth takes all your energy so that mite slow the rezmer down

Yes, but a battery necro solves this problem nicely.

After thinking about it, as long as a resmer has a minion master to help, rebirth wouldn't be too bad since it's only a 2 seconds difference in the cast time from vengeance and UA (and since UA requires high DF to succeed it's out) with high enough fast casting, abd a good battery, a resmer can res the sacker every 3 seconds with rebirth, but the battery has to work full time. Having a 55hp mesmer with IoW just speeds up the process.

The advantage to my echo+arcane echo+arcane mimicry+vengeance design on 2 resmers allows the sacker to only accumulate 15% dp after the initial death, which allows them to at least serve some secondary purpose once the MM's army is built. But if you're trying to make a nonstop endless flow of minions, rebirth + battery is probably the fastest way to go.

railhead · Dec 13, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Than should use two rezmers with Resurrect. Thats the clearest way and no need of battery.
Lets say Res. has 4secs of activation time with high FC + 0sec cool down. It costs 10 energy. With 4 pipe of energy regen. rezmer gains 4 nrg in 3secs. If she/he has 40 max. energy (which is very slim) than she/he could cast 4 Resurrects in 16secs. In this interval of time she/he gains 16/3 nrg which is 5+1/3 if i am right. I think Arena make rounds upward than final result is 6 gained in 16secs which means + 1 Resurrect of course also with 4secs of activation time. As conclusion a rezmer can provides 5 Resurrects under 20secs. of time interval. That would means 6 corpses which are 12 minios if saccers could commit suicides in 0secs. and minion masters could summon minions without dealy... but they cant + minion masters needs to cast a D. Nova/minion which has a 2secs of act. time. So rezmers would have lotsa time to regen.
By the way that 12 minions with max D. Nova cause 12*105 dmg to all enemies in the area of effect. No monster can survive.

Saccers need to move over and over to new locations on theirs own legs so they should not end up with 1health with -60% moral.

Saria Nightblade · Dec 13, 2005, 08:03 AM // 08:03

I've tried a full minion factory before in UW, it's just kinda slow. Was probably my team not being familiar with how you move around with these builds, but it still takes awhile to amass the army after each battle. Rezmers should have mantra of recall and use ressurect or restore life, and also have rebirth to move bodies around as well. This way they don't need energy.

fiery · Dec 13, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

heh be fun to do MM in UW, i would join but than i would have to make a necro in PVE.

vengence than rebirth.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Dec 15, 2005, 02:39 AM // 02:39

huh never reaally thought of that